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Offline mlkr

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10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« on: October 21, 2015, 07:53:43 PM »
Hi everyone :)

How do you go about with terrain for Warmaster? Size of buildings and trees and such. I am thinking there are 2 routes to go down.

1. Either you look at the miniatures as true scale so that one strip is 5-6 actual individuals and then use 10mm terrain that is in scale with these.

2. OR you see the miniatures as abstractions of much larger troops so that a strip is representing more troops than the 5-6 sculpts on it. Using terrain that is smaller scale (6mm) to fit this idea.

I get the feeling that both choices has it's merits and drawbacks.

Option 1 lets your miniatures look to scale with buildings and such, but I have noticed that trees look too big if in scale and larger buildings like castles take up a lot of room on the table.

Option 2 will have your miniatures look to big, but hopefully the idea of them being in abstract size will work? On the other hand I am hoping that 6mm scaled terrain will help paint the picture of really epic battles with armies clashing together amidst villages, vast forrests and rolling hills.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the subject? I would also love to see pictures of units/armies next to 10mm and 6mm terrain!

Cheers!
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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2015, 11:15:59 PM »
I'm going pretty strongly for 10mm.

In fact I should post a WIP as it's all I've doing today and yesterday. =-P

I currently have a mix of 4 different sources for buildings:

Ratibes: Windmill, Tower and Base, Village Well
Hovels: Gothic Church Ruin, Bridges, Barn
Total Battle Miniatures: Barn, Church, Half Timbered House, Warehouse, Stone Walls + Corners
Fenris: Ruins, Egyptian Style Ruins

And I have a mix of trees that would work for 6mm up to even 15mm, all from S&A Scenics: http://scenics.co.uk/
I also have all my hills from them.  They make ones in desert or green colours, as well.

They sell area templates but I ended up making my own out of cut up MDF with Vallejo texture paste on top.
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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2015, 02:03:20 PM »
I also play BKC2 in 10mm so I buy stuff that I can use for both, I have heard it said that building should always be on a smaller scale, but a lot depends on what you can access.

This site http://theminiaturespage.com/ref/scales.html is a good reference site for scales

6mm = 1/268
7mm = 1/220 = Z scale for railway buffs - a good source of scenery
8mm = 1/200
10mm = 1/161
10.06mm = 1/160 = N scale again for train buffs

Of course 6mm buildings carefully mixed with 10 might allow you to show hobbits living with humans :)
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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2015, 12:56:57 AM »
I play a lot of 6mm, and only Warmaster in 10mm. For me, it made no sense to buy 10mm terrain, so i continue to invest heavily in 6mm terrain.

I don't have a direct link, but my kealios.blogspot.com has done 6mm/10mm crossovers.

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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2015, 04:14:36 PM »
For WM I always use 10mm terrain. With the size of cavalry and monsters, you need some vertical height in the terrain too.

For other eras I have used smaller scale terrain to indicate the overall scope of the game. But for fantasy terrain in scale with the figures seems right.

For big pieces like castles you might try compressing the ground scale, while keeping the vertical scale I keeping with the figures, this gives the visual impact of the castle, without it taking up a huge amount of the table.

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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2015, 07:22:58 PM »
Thank you for the input everyone ^^

We are probably going to make a few tables for Swedish Open next year and I am thinking we can try both 10mm and 6mm terrain on different tables. That way we can see them next to each other and hopefully like both ;)

Personally I am very interested in making a 6mm table and see if that gives a greater feel of really grand battles. I have some ideas of making a more dioramic (is that the word?) table. Will be fun ^_^ !!
We have already made some terrain in 10m for this year that I will make sure to take photos of during next weekends Swedish open ^^

I had a look at some 6mm terrain at the kealios-website and it looked pretty nice next to some GW dark elfs.

Talk again!
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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2015, 09:26:10 AM »
Hi All,

I'm trying to find some good 10mm scale jungle scenery (especially palm trees etc). Does anyone know any good suppliers?

Thanks

Dave

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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2015, 01:14:05 PM »
Oh Dave, I'm sorry but I, too have been looking into that and not found any really satisfactory answers.

There are brass etch palm trees that you can get. When I google the question several TMP forum topics come up... S&A scenics have some palm trees but they are very spindly...

There's a chinese company that sells palm trees of all kinds for architectural models:

https://www.themodeltreeshop.co.uk/

Expensive but meant to be good.

Speaking for myself I have now and then been trying to collect the old Games Workshop Warhammer 40k jungle trees that they used to sell in poly bags or as part of an earlier 40k starter set.  If you look at the Warmaster Mag Lizardmen edition cover you can see that they use them in that.

http://www.ifelix.net/gamingblog/wp-content/uploads//2012/01/warmscen.jpg

^ They used them for Games Day terrain as well for Warmaster Lustrian jungle
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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2015, 03:07:39 PM »
Thanks Ben.

I'm tracking these on ebay (10Pcs Model Kit 50mm figure Palm Tree scene Landscape Gum Making Height 5cm) they have the advantage of being a lot cheaper but don't look half as good!

I'm using the Warmaster mag for inspiration for the Ziggurats I'm trying to pluck up the courage to make - I agree with you by the way - 10mm models seem to work better for me that 6mm. I've tried both but prefer the former.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2015, 06:17:16 PM »
Ooh! Was there a "How to" on the ziggaruts? I really want to get some but yeah it looks like you have to make themself.

There's a guy calles Stonehouse Miniatures who has some Incan / Mayan ruin pieces. They're meant for a larger scale but as impassable set pieces they could work?
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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2015, 05:15:43 PM »
I'd suggest going into a pet store that sells aquarium plastic plants?
I've made Warhammer scale jungle from these before. I'm sure that with a bit of snipping and gluing onto small bases, you could make some nice clump and plonk down jungle terrain?

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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2015, 06:43:30 PM »
For Palm trees have a look at the ones Pendraken sell

http://www.pendraken.co.uk/Resin-Scenics-and-Trees-c25/Palm-Trees-sc264/

I think its the 50mm ones I have - a couple of packs of these will give you plenty for desert games.

Even managed to find a photo of some in a warmaster game



For more jungle terrain then aquarium stuff as Dave says is good.

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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2015, 06:54:48 PM »
I've used it too but only for 28 mm

I will have to try it out for 10mm, it had never occured to me to try.

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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2015, 07:15:16 PM »
Realised I have some photos of Vos's jungle stuff too




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Re: 10mm or 6mm terrain for Warmaster?
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2015, 08:14:39 PM »
I'm convinced. Pendraken for Warmaster Ancients and off to the local pet store tomorrow for Warmaster. Thanks to you all for your advice!

Dave