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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2014, 09:46:10 AM »
Slightly OT, but since we're discussing Shapeways/FUD - has anyone tried prepping a FUD model by giving it the soapy lukewarm water bath & gentle scrub treatment as you usually would with a new model, then giving the model an extremely thinned down wash of liquid green stuff/milliput? I would think that one or two(to make sure application is even) of those would eliminate any remaining visible "stepping" once the undercoat was applied, no?

Very curious about this! Production costs, as Pix rightfully pointed out, is indeed a tricky thing. High-end prints are still rather expensive, so you need something for that, either good sales, crowdfunding, or a friendly discount. I know that Wasteland Studio also has their stuff printing in FUD and then clean up the models before casting, that might be an option...

As for the evolution of 3D printing, I've been experimenting and dealing with various parties now: from Shapeways to universities in the Netherlands, UK and US, independent printing services and so on. I've visited seminars on the whole 'makers movement' (which is what we kinda are here), Third Industrial Revolution and so on. The impression I'm getting is that whilst 3D printing will indeed improve and become more affordable, there will still be two main issues: (1) high end, so very detailed and smooth prints, will still be a limited service, sort of like very specialized prints on paper for lets say posters. (2) forget about mass production through printing, at least for the stuff we are doing. So a print on demand might be something, akin to Shapeways, but as soon as you want to level it up a little bit, like lets say a boutique setup (both Miniatures of the North and Battlegroup Helios seem to work this way) in which you just produce/sell a limited stock, casting is still the only way to go.
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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2014, 09:56:04 AM »
I agree than the discussion is slighty OT, but still pretty happy to see than there is other people sharing the same kind of opinion about FUD and 3D printing.

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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2014, 10:37:53 AM »
I'm interested in the developments regarding 3D printing. And whilst I think FUD isn't up to miniature standard, it is sort of a next best thing if you're limited on resources. Companies like GW, MaxMini, Dream Forge, Anvil Industry, etc all use more high end printing services (or have their own machines), but they deal with 28mm scaled stuff, which is a way larger market, meaning they can sell it. With ships and other differently scaled models we're very much trapped in a niche. The BFG community is pretty small as it is, and it's unlikely to really grow that much.

By the way, has any of you tried using Shapeways' wax prints?

But I'm not sure yet how far off topic we are going here, since it is still very much related to how we can do this lovely Necron ship the justice it deserves! :D
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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2014, 12:31:38 PM »
I really wanted to try shape ways wax print but when I finally got a model I wanted to try with it they doubled the price and my print would have cost $250. Already having invested $225 in concept art and 3d artist I'd need to still mold the piece... Probably rounding out total investment to $500. It's really hard to spend that much on a mini that's a garage kit and I'll probably sell maybe 15 of them for $20 each, still expensing resin and mold release.. I won't get my put in back. I'm considering FUD to save on cost and fixing the model once I have it in hand.

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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2014, 03:07:02 PM »
Yep, i really think the real main issue is we are on a very small market, a small spaceship niche....
Niche maybe, but still very active !
I am thinking if we were 15 years in the past, without all the 3D printer, without the internet and the forum, games like BFG would never have survive without GW behind.

I am feeling than we are not the last people palying this game, and enjoying this kind of scale.
If you look to all the fluff produce by Forge World.... I am sure they are still playing a lot about !
Like the last HH (tome 4 - Conquest), it's mainly fight between spaceship, boarding assault (ok Zone Mortalis stuff...) and other BFG stuff. The note on the Poison Ships (p 55) it's almost a scenario for BFG...

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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2014, 04:46:43 AM »
I'll have to take a look at that book! I agree with everything you said too.

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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2014, 08:41:56 AM »
The Conquest book was mainly a tribute to BFG for its inclusion of Port Maw! I'd love to see somebody come up with a scenario for the Poison ships (and maybe also design a model...).

Ok, now we're getting off topic here!  :P
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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2014, 09:06:13 AM »
I agree than we are off topic now.... :)

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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2014, 08:33:37 AM »
Ha, speaking of going off topic, we've been doing exactly the same over at the Troll Forged forums. Reason I'm sharing this is because it's kinda the same discussion we're having here regarding printing and production, so I thought it might be an interesting read for you guys. :)
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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2014, 08:04:05 PM »
Heya,

no problems from this moderator with going off topic. As long as it scratches something BFG related it is fine. And even beyond that I am lenient. In real life conversations tend to go off topic as well and sometimes involve into good things.

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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2015, 11:03:15 PM »
These necrons are most impressive

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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2015, 04:43:51 PM »
Painted minis

mines


Necrons escorts proxies
Voidrunner



Intruder



and a 2 euros coin for size




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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2015, 06:41:57 PM »
Wow, those look great!
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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2015, 09:51:42 PM »
That are good sale tactics. ;)
Well done.

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Re: New proxy for Necrons
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2015, 10:21:37 PM »
Wow