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Offline Dave

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looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« on: May 13, 2013, 04:12:38 PM »
I'm curious, so I'm doing a bit of market research. Say I hired a contact sculptor to make 10mm Goat Guys and:

  • They were similar in size and quality to WM Chaos Marauders
  • They came in units of 30 individual infantry figures (3x9 regular poses, a champ, banner and musician), 12 cav, 9 monsters, 3 chariots
  • There were roughly 8 unit types (kids w/ spears, kids w/ bows, adults, heavy adults, minotaurs, chariots, hounds, centaur cav) and heroes

Would you buy an army? If so, how many units would be in that army?

Would you not be interested in a Goat Guy army but might buy another?

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 04:34:16 PM »
It would all depend on the quality of the sculpts of course - would need to see some core units already master modelled, like Ch + Evil's Ogre line.

But I'd support it with a warmaster 2K army list, maybe more.

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2013, 05:08:28 PM »
It would depend on the quality of the sculpts.  The 6mm beastkin army that recently appeared looks really good, if a bit tiny.

Eureka and Pendraken both have options, but am not sure what each line has to offer.

What material would the figures get cast in?  Resin? Metal?

Do they come pre-painted?

Wait, why not launch a kickstarter project?

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 06:11:33 PM »
Now that GW are rapidly pulling out of 10mm, why not do ersatz replacements for their armies?

Maybe start with the ones that no one else does - so probably not Orcs, as Copplestone have more or less got that covered. Empire Halberdiers/Crossbows/Handgunners = Imperial Spearmen/Bowmen/Musketeers?

Presumably you've also looked at Eureka's range to see what they do?

As others have said, the quality of the figures and how well they fit in with GW figures will be the making (or breaking!) of them.

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 06:24:44 PM »
Plan would be metal, and KS is an option. I'm just feeling out where some interest is. Assuming $1000 to sculpt/mold and start casting a unit you're looking at 100 sales at $10 each.

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 07:45:37 PM »
I agree, kickstarter would be the way to go.
You'd need some concept art and a couple of sculpts up front. That would be your only 'risk.'

The rest..... you wouldn't have to put your hand into your pocket if you didn't get enough interest.

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 08:24:40 PM »
I like the idea in principle, but I don't have much interest in this army concept in particular.

What I'd prefer to see is piece-wise replacement of in-demand figures, rather than whole armies. The second-hand market will no doubt be very strong (if pricey) for several years. Plus you have Eureka providing some great niche concepts. They're probably the ones who will inherit the high-end 10mm pure fantasy market. The historical lines, of course, have always been strong and can be the backbone of a fantasy army as well. Add in a few heroes and some nice paint jobs, and that War of the Roses army suddenly can fight the War of the Ring or the War of the Five Kings.

Copplestone (for example) has a strong line of minis, right? Either get Mark to finish the line as a contract job, or (more likely, given the eyestrain that 10mm reportedly gave him) get a comparable sculptor to produce complementary minis of similar style and quality.

If we use fan financing at all, then I suggest we use it to help one or two companies like Eureka to take over the market now that GW is gone. As a fan project, we depend on one or two hobbyists to carry the whole load-- and who have to keep carrying it, over time. As a reward for one of the companies that has been with us for years, something that makes them some money at low risk and hands them a market they've always supported, we make it a profitable and low-risk move for a small company that wants our business. A company that can then support the line they produce for the long haul, over time.

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 08:28:37 PM »
Seems intersting.

Would you buy an army? If so, how many units would be in that army?


The question too is: what would be the price of a blister/unit?

It is important to plan-out an army... ;)


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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2013, 08:40:10 PM »
I might well be interested, although prefer the huge skirmishing horde of goat-men to tight regimented blocks.... not sure about how easy that would be to model....

if they were affordable, I think I'd pick up an army's worth certainly

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013, 09:31:52 PM »
Kickstarter ??? Yes Sir  ;)

Fancy armies and good price.

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 09:40:27 PM »
We were thinking individual models, rather than a strip, as it'll be easier on the molds and allow for more variety (you'll be able to arrange them in so many more ways).

As to price, say $10USD for now (hoping that's the high end).

How does this strike you guys for a Kick Starter?

We order up 10 models for 10 different unit types, one for each unit. You'll be able to see them on the KS page so you'll have an idea of the size/quality/aestetic.

We set the initial goal at 1.5K, if met we'll do a full unit's worth of poses for one unit type that we showcased. Every 1.5K after that is a stretch goal where we'll do another full unit's worth of poses for another unit type that was showcased.

Pledge levels will be for x number of units. $40 for 4, $75 for 8, etc.

If the KS ends at 4.5k (the initial and two stretch goals) we'll do three unit types. And if you ordered 8 units, you can choose between those three types in any combination to make up your 8 units.

Thoughts?
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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013, 10:26:28 PM »
I think this is a very nice idea Dave. If the models look as good as most of the GW warmaster range, I would gladly add yet another army to my collection.

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013, 10:52:11 PM »
I'd like to see them. For me it's essential that they look 'right' which may or may not be a problem. Certainly though, if they did look like they'd fit with the toys I have I'd likely get into the KS pledge.

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2013, 10:53:35 PM »
sounds great, have my support

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Re: looking in to making a 10mm fantasy line
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2013, 11:44:52 PM »
Wasn't there some talk a while back about someone making war mammoths for a Chaos Norse type army?  I'm racking my brains trying to remember if I read that here or somewhere else.

Would this theoretically be based on the Fan Army list? 
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