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FaQ 2010 and Book of Nemesis Ship costs error?
« on: March 04, 2015, 02:09:09 PM »
Hi all, In BFG FR supplement we include or adapt ships from BoN and FaQ 2010.

While checking costs with our formulae for each races we edited a supplement on (based on smothermann 2.05 but a lot more complex as it fall with cost by ships class to have a formula fitting Blue Book, Armada, FaQ 2010 and Book of Nemesis), here are our cost remarks:

FaQ 2010 Space Marines
Strike Cruiser p.59 "A strike cruiser may replace its launch bays for strength-6, Speed: 30cm torpedo tubes or a
firepower-5, range 30cm (front arc only) bombardment cannon battery for no change in cost."

Per Smothermann V2.05 or our formula 5PF of bombardement canon (even firing only in front arc) doesn't fit for a free exchange. We calculate that we have either to:
- pay +10pts (recommended) or remove one defensive turret for 5PF, range 30cm (front arc only) bombardment cannon battery
- or have 4PF, range 30cm (front arc only) bombardment cannon battery  for no change in cost

Strike Cruiser p.59 "Replace bombardment cannon. A strike cruiser may replace its prow firepower-3, Left/Front/Right bombardment cannon for a strength-1, range: 30cm lance firing Left/Front/Right for +20 points."

Per Smothermann V2.05 or our formula the lance should be Strengh 3 not 1.

All other ships cost Ok, Space Marine Monastery not checked.

FaQ 2010 Craftworld Eldar
We are ok with all FaQ2010 ships costs with a slight modification of Shadowhunter special rules

Eldar Haven station unchecked taken as Ok.

Book of Nemesis what we have checked as correct or erroned with FaQ 2007 and 2010 when doing our

P.11 to 13 Heretic, Pagan, Schismatic are cost Ok
Unbeliever should not include +1D6 for AAH order in its cost, but stay 4D6.

P.20 Eldar Nebula Battlecruiser
Either the Nebula is paying a dearly 20pts its 10/20/30cm speed or there is a typing error for it.

Per our formula the cost should be 292pts rounded up to 295pts for 10/20/30cm speed.
If the speed is 10/20/25 the cost is a straight 290pts.
We are found of the 2nd solution at 290pts because a Grand Cruiser is a heavy vessel and a 10/20/25 seems more coherent with the Void Stalker one.

P20 and 21 Ikaros and Succubus are cost Ok

Other ships are unchecked as now
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Re: FaQ 2010 and Book of Nemesis Ship costs error?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2015, 05:18:48 PM »
Added on 1st post

FaQ 2010
Strike Cruiser p.59 "A strike cruiser may replace its launch bays for strength-6, Speed: 30cm torpedo tubes or a
firepower-5, range 30cm (front arc only) bombardment cannon battery for no change in cost."

Per Smothermann V2.05 or our formula 5PF of bombardement canon (even firing only in front arc) doesn't fit for a free exchange. We calculate that we have either to:
- pay +10pts or remove one defensive turret for 5PF, range 30cm (front arc only) bombardment cannon battery
- or have 4PF, range 30cm (front arc only) bombardment cannon battery  for no change in cost

Note:
In our formula, the cost of 1 arc bombardment cannon battery is arround 5pts as its a very able weapon with multiples use despite its short relative short range (used wisely it can protect heavier ships from any ordnances attack needing two moves).
Per smothermann formula at a cost of 7pts per bombardment cannon battery you'd have to add +20pts to get the 5PF bombardment cannon battery.

2nd note
Having 5+3PF is very interesting on the battery table. We suggest to pay +10pts
If you want to keep the same cost, the additional removal of one of the two defensive turret lead to a no change in cost, but it'll change your strategies.
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Re: FaQ 2010 and Book of Nemesis Ship costs error?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 06:46:49 PM »
The most interesting would be if you uploaded your version of Smotherman. The original Smotherman was a nice point of reference but also never 100% fact.

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Re: FaQ 2010 and Book of Nemesis Ship costs error?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 10:03:42 AM »
I can give formula but they would need explainations

To be as correct as possible and adapt the formula to as many ships as possible from Blue book, Armada, FaQ 2010 and Book of Nemesis. We have to go race by race and ship class by ship class and found how the formula works for as many ships as possible.

When covering all these supplements, despiste some common points, formulae are specific for each race.
I have done excel sheets done for each race we've gone through.

Each race formula we've done cover Blue book, Armada, FaQ 2010 and Book of Nemesis.

Here is an example for IN (sorry it's in french), by default we round to the nearest 5 multiple. In some case a ship needs to be rounded up. In some cases the ship has some specific items or background that modify its cost (adding or minoring its cost).

I will show it to you with the data for IN light cruisers, there are comments in red. I will explain how we come to the costs





- Dauntless is right on
- Endeavour MkI and MkII are rounded up for cost Boarding defense bonus cost 10pts in FaQ2007 and 0pts in FaQ2010
- Endurance MkI and MkII are cost ok and for cost Boarding defense bonus cost 10pts in FaQ2007 and 0pts in FaQ2010
- Defiant pay only 5pts for its Defense bonus as it has additionnal crews available due to lauch bays.
- Unbeliever doesn't come with +1D6 for all ahead full for free but can pay +15pts for it. (Note that all others Chaos Light cruisers are cost Ok)
- Siluria being a pre-heresy design has a better weapons feed and pay only a +10pts penality instead of +20pts for exceeding max PF
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