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Title: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Dave on April 06, 2015, 02:35:39 PM
I'm gearing up to commission another Landsknecht unit, and I'd like to keep on with the various infantry types. To that end, what would people be interested in seeing?

And a follow-up, how many of each would you be interested in?
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: andys on April 06, 2015, 03:51:07 PM
There are several crossbow/handgunner figures already available from other manufacturers. No one does a decent halberdier that I'm aware of, so that gets my vote.

2 units, to allow my Empire force to go up to 4000 points.
Although I'd need another pair of crossbow units, which I could simply "recruit" from my Dogs of War army.
Oh and several hundred points of other units to get up to 4000!
Which I could also probably get from my D-o-W army as well...

Pendraken's EC10 cavalry make good Light Cavalry/Pistoliers, for example.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Stormwind on April 06, 2015, 07:28:17 PM
The thing is the Pendraken etc. suppliers have OK/good proxies, but none are Bob Naismith good!

At the moment as I have so many lead mountain items to paint - I've given up the idea of a pure DoW army and rather see the Warmonger units as dogs of war allied contingents rather than an army in their own right, so I'd be happy with any 3 of these! They'd add flavour to an Empire army and could work with Dwarves, Elves, Brets etc.

I think that because they are core to the Empire list, Halberdiers and Crossbowmen would sell best.  For that reason I'm voting for Crossbowmen.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Aquahog on April 06, 2015, 09:15:25 PM
Halberdiers, the GW ones look so static next to my shiny new doppelsöldner. 4-6 units I suppose.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: mlkr on April 06, 2015, 09:47:49 PM
I would like to see them all. The existing sculpts are awesome and if more is on the horizon I would have to start planning an Empire army.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: jchaos79 on April 06, 2015, 10:55:38 PM
I will point to arquebusiers/handgunners. I am thinking a little bit more about warmaster medieval than warmaster fantasy. So I guess pikes + arquebusiers are the principal arms of renaissance.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Dave on April 07, 2015, 04:03:54 PM
I'm leaning towards arquebusiers or crossbowmen at this point as it'll be a bit easier for me to break even with only 10 sculpts.

Here's my thoughts: five strips of two men, you would get 15 strips per unit (or 5 per base).

Would people want the front figure kneeling? Standing? Mix? Don't care?

If I did the front rank kneeling I would do the rear rank standing (so 5 and 5). Either way you'd be able to cut the strips apart as with the zweihander and pikemen.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: andys on April 07, 2015, 05:11:20 PM
Here's a thought:

1 x command strip
5 x arquebusier strips
5 x crossbowmen strips
5 x halberdier strips

Buy three packs and you've got 3 different units and a few spares to, say, add to character stands. Not so much variety but the size of your range of figures quickly increases from 2 unit types to 5. Unless you want to offer discrete units of the 3 different types. Whichever, doing it this way, your range has expanded.

Or maybe you make two moulds, one with the 3 x 5 strips as above and one with 15 (different?) command strips? The command strips can then be used with whatever you produce in future, or be sold as hero strips.

Perhaps you could do this with cavalry as well, mixing different types in one mould?
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Dave on April 07, 2015, 05:16:55 PM
I'm planning on doing five strips each for both the missile troops. That's still ten models each to be sculpted though, which is the lion share of the initial cost that I need to offset. Getting 32 figures sculpted all at once isn't feasible at this point, mainly because I assume a much larger risk rather than spreading it out over several smaller risks over the years.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: andys on April 07, 2015, 05:18:49 PM
Ah well, just a thought. Whichever unit you go with this time, maybe you could do the other two that way next time, when you're a richer man?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Dave on April 07, 2015, 05:26:44 PM
I'm hoping that as I add more units the people that have been on the fence because I haven't been able to offer a full army will come over. With that we'll hopefully see a quicker turn around time between units.

Trust me, if money wasn't an issue I'd offer them as quick as they could be sculpted, molded and cast.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: andys on April 07, 2015, 06:01:39 PM
I think you've already got 2 command strips sculpted? Do you need to do offer more than that? Re-using what you've already paid for reduces the cost of this and future units a bit?
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Dave on April 07, 2015, 06:04:57 PM
I'll probably do two more command strips, one for the Halberdiers and one for the command pack.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: andys on April 07, 2015, 07:02:32 PM
When you get around to doing some wizards, can we have them with pointy hats with nice wide, floppy brims and knobs on the end of their staffs please?  ;) :D
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Stormwind on April 07, 2015, 08:35:14 PM
Command strips are a bit of a luxury, but they add a lot of character to a unit and make it more desirable, and more the level of GW quality.

I would love to see handgunners with a front rank kneeling, that would be wonderful.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: David Wasilewski on April 07, 2015, 09:17:02 PM
Just to offer an alternative:

I'd like a unit of spearmen. In Warhammer spearmen are a pretty 'core' unit for the Empire.
We have halberdiers and pikemen and zwei-handers but no good to honest, basic spearmen.

A command strip and 2 or 3 strips of alternative spears would be great.

Dave

If they were nice, I'd buy 8 units worth.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: ccmwhite on April 07, 2015, 11:38:52 PM
I would buy 8 units of Spearmen, but then I would also buy 4-8 units of just about anything you make!  :)
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Draccan on April 08, 2015, 12:53:25 AM
Crossbowmen or handgunners are more useful.

Spearmen could be made from pikes..
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Blindhorizon on April 08, 2015, 07:48:26 AM
I'm sure you could convert some of those pikemen to spearman and save some money if you wanted to.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Geep on April 08, 2015, 08:15:54 AM
Spearmen and Swordsmen would also interest me (more properly ranked swordsmen than the Skirmisher models).
At heart I strongly support any Empire models, but I don't have the money to actually buy anything I already have an equivalent of (the three options in this poll).
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: David Wasilewski on April 09, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Re the pikes being cut down: Yes, I take your point  ::) ::).

But I'd rather have proper, dedicated spearmen models. The swordsmen sound good too. i.e. models that you couldn't get from GWs original Warmaster range. This would also help keep the IP police away! :)

David
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: forbes on April 09, 2015, 10:09:34 PM
I'd say arquebusiers - they are more renaissance - and renaissance troops are much less available than earlier periods, where spears and crossbows pre-dominate.

I'm more likely to buy arquebusiers as I have lots of halberdiers and crossbows already painted - but don't have so many hand gunners painted.


Vos - these are historical figures IP is irrelevant. And they don't have any skulls adorning the figures.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Draccan on April 11, 2015, 05:52:16 PM

The pikes can easily be count-as halbardiers in games. Crossbowmen are hard to get a hold of.
I would say go for those or even better use the same core model to create crossbowmen and arquebusiers and make both  ;D
I will get 4-6 units for sure!
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Dave on April 14, 2015, 04:29:20 PM
Alright, Bob's back Friday so I'll be getting this process rolling then with the arquebusiers. Figure:

10 sculpts (5 kneeling, 5 standing) in various poses (firing, loading, port, support)
no armor, each armed with Arquebus and a Katzbalger
arranged in column on 6x18x1mm strips with a standing pose in back and a kneeling pose in front (these should be easy to separate)

I anticipate running a quick Kickstarter in May to cover the costs of molding and casting. I'm hoping to be shipping in July, but that depends on when Bob can get to them.
Title: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: mlkr on April 14, 2015, 08:09:50 PM
Katzbalger! Wooooo :D
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Draccan on April 16, 2015, 07:40:43 PM
I will back it Dave!
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Big Red on April 18, 2015, 05:31:38 AM
I'm in.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: ccmwhite on April 18, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
Count me in.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Dave on April 19, 2015, 04:21:15 AM
Ball's rolling guys. Bob said three weeks.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Stormwind on April 19, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
[Excitement intensifies]
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: forbes on April 19, 2015, 04:07:47 PM
Cool

I would talk the sculptor about the options to re-use the arquesbiers as crossbow men. Hopefully a fair amount of re-use of the basic poses will be possible, which would keep the sculpting costs of crossbows down.
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Stormwind on April 19, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
Well judging from the poll that's at least 14 people interested in buying some sculpts, and I think we're all interested in all of those units.  For myself  - I would buy any of those. The Halberdiers as they look different from the GW ones I can use as "Marauders" in the DoW list. =)
Title: Re: what should Warmonger's next unit be?
Post by: Stuart Bleything on June 11, 2015, 02:39:42 PM
I would happily pledge for any of the Empire units suggested .
Crossbow men
Spear men
halbardier .