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Battlefleet Gothic => [BFG] Rules Questions => Topic started by: Zelnik on March 26, 2011, 11:35:50 PM

Title: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on March 26, 2011, 11:35:50 PM
Hey, what is the progress of getting the faq on the gw website?
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: BaronIveagh on March 28, 2011, 02:31:21 AM
Been wondering about that myself.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on March 28, 2011, 01:25:53 PM
Last I heard they were posting a disc with everything off to Jervis.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Valhallan on March 30, 2011, 04:52:26 AM
posting... what a silly verb. its called 'mailing'.

n/m. hope jervis likes it (not that we're on a first name basis). we all (and HA) worked very hard on this stuff and I hope it gets approved.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on March 30, 2011, 05:28:35 AM
?

Posting a disc

makes more sense then

Mailing a disc

Disc as in Compact Disc I assume.
Mailing Compact Discs is weird.

Mailing pdf's is what has been done.
Posting pdf's would be weird.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on March 30, 2011, 06:41:57 AM
never underestimate my brain's capability to choose odd verbage and weird grammar relative to the length of time I've been awake. I'm in the US, so typically I would say mailing a disc, yet for some reason I flipped into saying posting a disc :)
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: BaronIveagh on March 30, 2011, 07:16:45 AM
I'm wondering if it's being held up due to some of the minor fluff inconsistencies between it and BFK?  Or something equally petty. 
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on March 30, 2011, 07:20:54 AM
Personally I think they just haven't looked at it yet.

Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: RCgothic on March 30, 2011, 09:12:29 AM
As a Brit, I'd associate "posting" with the act of sending a physical object via a postal courier.
"Mailing" is more immediately associated with email.

"Disk" and "Disc" originally meant the same thing, being an object of cylindrical profile where the diameter is much greater than the thickness. In modern usage, "disc" tends to refer to optical storage devices such as CDs, DVDs and Blu Rays, whilst "disk" tends to be used for magnetic or solid-state storage mediums. Either way, I would find it slightly weird to "mail a disc/k". Either word is acceptable for other objects.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on March 30, 2011, 03:42:53 PM
So I assume that the answer is "no, whe have no clue"

Flybywire... help us!
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: BaronIveagh on March 30, 2011, 04:12:59 PM
For some reason when people say disc I think of four elephants on the back of a turtle...
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zhukov on March 30, 2011, 05:07:57 PM
As a Brit, I'd associate "posting" with the act of sending a physical object via a postal courier.
"Mailing" is more immediately associated with email.

For most American's I know it's:
"Mailing" for sending direct objects.
"E-mailing" for, well, email. And,
"Posting" for Facebook and other social forums.

Gotta love language..

-Zhukov

Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on March 30, 2011, 07:23:35 PM
For some reason when people say disc I think of four elephants on the back of a turtle...
Discworld
Rincewind

YAYAYYAYA!
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on March 30, 2011, 11:10:02 PM
and i just died a little inside..
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Masque on March 31, 2011, 07:42:17 AM
For most American's I know it's:
"Mailing" for sending direct objects.
"E-mailing" for, well, email. And,
"Posting" for Facebook and other social forums.

I normally make a distinction between sending a physical object through the postal system and and sending one with another carrier.  If it goes through the United States Postal Service then I mailed it.  If I send it UPS or FedEx then I shipped it.  I think this is a normal distinction to make in the States but maybe I'm crazy.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zhukov on April 02, 2011, 04:03:23 AM

If it's in a box, then I've shipped it. I mail letters, even through UPS or FedEx.

-Zhukov
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Eudaimon on April 03, 2011, 10:03:34 PM
I'm a bit worried about the faqs and all the other rules...
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on April 20, 2011, 11:46:24 PM
I'm out of the loop, GK have a barge now?  I hate what they have done to the fluff.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on April 21, 2011, 07:39:38 PM
it's a fairly rare item that will appear in every GK fleet list :)
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on April 21, 2011, 08:23:33 PM
Just like the 0-1 Emperor in the bakka list
only the Grey knights barge can replace it's prow launch capacity for bombardment cannons or increasing it's torpedo strength to 12.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on April 21, 2011, 10:12:32 PM
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Just like the 0-1 Emperor in the bakka list

Ah, but there is a rather heavy price to pay for that since you have to take the 200 point admiral rath.

The GK BB can't replace the prow LB either since it only gains the GK special rules listed on the page. Everything else is listed as SC specific upgrades making them off limits for the BB.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on April 22, 2011, 12:56:44 AM
It says in the listing quite clearly

A fleet led by an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor including at least 1000 points of Inquisition vessels and Grey Knights strike cruisers may include a single Grey Knights battlebarge. This ship follows the standard profile for battle barges in all respects. Additionally they benefit from all Grey Knights special rules listed here and on p.51.


Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on April 22, 2011, 06:06:50 AM
yes, and upgrades are NOT special rules.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on April 22, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I am spreading the 2010 faq on /tg/ and at my local battle bunker.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Snakeb1te on April 27, 2011, 01:28:34 AM
I'm out of the loop, GK have a barge now?  I hate what they have done to the fluff.

Why is it bad they have a battle barge? Are you referring to the new codex or to the fluff in the PDFs?
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on April 27, 2011, 02:20:07 AM
some people think they are too spread out and mobile for a barge.

The answer: make a more mobile barge  ;D
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Admiral_d_Artagnan on April 27, 2011, 02:55:51 AM
Not just too spread out. Mainly that there are so few of them and all of them are spread out.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Snakeb1te on April 27, 2011, 03:15:21 AM
Ah. Possibly.

But I for one am of the opinion that it is perfectly possible that they might OCCASIONALLY use something that size, even if it has only been once or twice since their inception.

Let it stand I say, though I wouldn't personally have put it there in the first place.

But now that its there, meh! I can see it being possible, though I would never use it in a game as that would be like fielding Calgar against a platoon of cadians, but some people like that kind of overkill :P
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on April 27, 2011, 04:55:48 PM
It will stand, mostly because its a good idea to allow players who are geeked out about grey knights,  but since I was the big pusher for the barge back when we were working on it, let me explain my mentality.

1. There is a new grey knights codex, not giving them something big and glittery would be extremely short sighted and a quick way to turn people away from the fleet.

2. Grey knights are the ones sent in to eradicate other space marine chapters who have been determined to be excommunicate. These chapters usually have fortress monistary's, two battle barges, planetside bases and fleets of strike cruisers and escorts.  Not giving them something that can stand up to battleship level fire is just contrary to their purpose.

3. They are still a space marine chapter, and the only one fielded on Titan. The idea that they would not have a barge with Mars so close by baffles me. When you have the best equipment and tech priests at your fingertips, you never, ever say "no no, we want something smaller."

4. When dealing with large demonic threats, like demon worlds or demonship fleets, strike cruisers and escorts alone would be easily outmatched. Without access to battleship level defense or attack, they would not be able to do their job.

5. Its a damn pretty ship! I just wish we had the psy-cannon on the prow.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Snakeb1te on April 27, 2011, 06:07:39 PM
I dont argue that its bad for the game.

But for fluff I just think that for any of those purposes I would see them working alongside the navy or other space marine fleets. And Grey Knights only really go in and take out rebelling SMs if their threat is demonic, otherwise its left to someone else.

I just see the Barge as something of a huge carrier. Sure it has guns or whatever, but it'd only be used if a HUGE portion of the Grey Knights chapter were deployed together, which is extremely rare.

If you had not put the 0-1 limit then I'd be against it, as it is I can accept it. I agree what you say about Mars, but in my eyes, the issue has more to do with a Barge being used if over half the chapter were travelling in it.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on April 27, 2011, 08:42:24 PM
Work alongside the navy? Not likely.

Most navy admirals would loathe the presence of grey knights ships. They tend to kill any normal humans they work with to prevent knowledge of what they fight from spreading.

other space marines? not likely, mostly for the same reason. The presence of the grey knights would suggest that the Inquisition does not think the chapter suitable for the task at hand, which is a pretty significant insult.

Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Snakeb1te on April 27, 2011, 10:15:19 PM
True, but if we're talking about Grey Knights we're talking about space marines being deployed to combat demons. I'm not sure the Inqusition would tell the Grey Knights to deploy one of their biggest ships (which is meant to carry the chapter's soldiers more than anything else) just to combat a fleet in space. I get the feeling another force would be requisitioned instead.

As such I don't really see the grey knights as a fleet option to be honest, only situations where they are deployed somewhere and they end up in a fleet battle; not being specifically deployed to one. Therefore using this logic, a battle barge would only be in use if a huge number of grey knights needed to be sent somewhere (Cadian Gate? Armageddon 1st war?) and as people have said, the grey knights are really thinly spread out.

I understand the need for a Grey Knights army fleet list though, I'm not saying they should be removed. I'm just saying that fluff wise I'm not too sure a/the Grey Knights battle barge would be used that often if at all.

(Btw just to add that the reason I imagine Grey knights working in tandem with other fleets, is because imagine they are sent to a warzone already occupied by IG and SM, because of a sudden emergence of daemons. The IG and SM have occupied it for months. In this situation all forces would have to work together, and if a fleet battle occurred the Knights would be part of it. This is how I envision the Grey Knights taking part in fleet battles. I wouldn't think that they would be despatched on their own just to fight one.)
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Admiral_d_Artagnan on April 27, 2011, 11:26:32 PM
It will stand, mostly because its a good idea to allow players who are geeked out about grey knights,  but since I was the big pusher for the barge back when we were working on it, let me explain my mentality.

1. There is a new grey knights codex, not giving them something big and glittery would be extremely short sighted and a quick way to turn people away from the fleet.

I don't see what has that got to do with fluff but sure, for GK players, a nice, big ship could be given. But even a ship the size of a battlecruiser should be fine and not as huge as a battle barge.

2. Grey knights are the ones sent in to eradicate other space marine chapters who have been determined to be excommunicate. These chapters usually have fortress monistary's, two battle barges, planetside bases and fleets of strike cruisers and escorts.  Not giving them something that can stand up to battleship level fire is just contrary to their purpose.

It's why they can call on the IN. They're the ones who are supposed to handle the topside while the GK and other ground pounders handle the groundside.

3. They are still a space marine chapter, and the only one fielded on Titan. The idea that they would not have a barge with Mars so close by baffles me. When you have the best equipment and tech priests at your fingertips, you never, ever say "no no, we want something smaller."

But who's going to man it? Servitors? If that's the case, its pointless. It'll just be shot out of space by other SM chapters. A cruiser sized ship already requires thousands of conscripts. What more a Battlebarge?

4. When dealing with large demonic threats, like demon worlds or demonship fleets, strike cruisers and escorts alone would be easily outmatched. Without access to battleship level defense or attack, they would not be able to do their job.

Lucky for us there's still no feasible daemonship fleet. Even then, the GK can still handle the lot of them if they are gathered together. That's how cheesy they are. And again, they do have access to battleship sized ships and large fleets. It's called the IN.

5. Its a damn pretty ship! I just wish we had the psy-cannon on the prow.

Yes, this is the only reason that would allow for the existence of one, esp if it followed the lines of the FW SC. Psycannon is too powerful I think depending on which iteration. I can imagine the Psycannon working something like an NC, doesn't scatter or does more damage (D6+2 for example) and does something nasty vs daemonships but that's about it.

Work alongside the navy? Not likely.

Most navy admirals would loathe the presence of grey knights ships. They tend to kill any normal humans they work with to prevent knowledge of what they fight from spreading.

Sure they would if the Inquisition tells them to.

other space marines? not likely, mostly for the same reason. The presence of the grey knights would suggest that the Inquisition does not think the chapter suitable for the task at hand, which is a pretty significant insult.

This is probably true until they face a daemon which they cannot fight. Won't be as much of an insult then.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on May 01, 2011, 01:53:38 AM
To answer an earlier question:  As cool as it would be, GK fluff makes no sense to have a GK battle barge.
For any reason.  Makes much less sense than SM with lances, if that tells you anything ;)
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on May 01, 2011, 05:49:43 AM
I'm curious as to why it's assumed that the GK are smaller than other chapters. The new GK fluff in the codex seems to indicate that there are 1,000 of them just like any other chapter. Even though it would probably not be their usual transport, I don't see why they couldn't have a BB even if they would be far more scarce than in other chapters or rarely needed.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on May 01, 2011, 06:38:31 AM
Final answer.

Matt Ward.

your arguments are invalid.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Plaxor on May 01, 2011, 07:50:14 AM
I'm pretty sure 'Matt Ward' is a valid argument to disregard anyone's fluff in 40k nowadays

If The Ward writes The Necron codex, I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote that they orchestrated the horus heresy. Not one bit.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on May 01, 2011, 07:56:52 AM
Notwithstanding virulent Ward hate, the GK are still referred to as a chapter as far back as the Index Astartes article by Graham McNeill. There's no reason to have ever thought that the chapter was any smaller than typical for Space Marines and as such that they wouldn't have access to a battle barge like practically any other chapter although the typically small GK deployment size would point to battle barges being a far more rare sight.  
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: BaronIveagh on May 02, 2011, 02:01:48 AM
Laying aside my own 'MATT WARD!!! *mouth foaming here Moment of Hate here*

I'm having a hard time picturing a GK deployment bigger then strike cruiser myself.  I mean, this REALLY have to be heading for the sump if they need more then one company of GKs...
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Sigoroth on May 02, 2011, 04:01:19 AM
Notwithstanding virulent Ward hate, the GK are still referred to as a chapter as far back as the Index Astartes article by Graham McNeill. There's no reason to have ever thought that the chapter was any smaller than typical for Space Marines and as such that they wouldn't have access to a battle barge like practically any other chapter although the typically small GK deployment size would point to battle barges being a far more rare sight.  

I don't really have much of an opinion on ancillary rules such as GKs, Inquisitors, RTs, wolf packs, etc, except to say that I think in general such elements should only be included for flavour and not overshadow the fleet action core of BFG.

Having said that, I don't think that the size of the GK chapter would have anything to do with their fleet resources. If they're never deployed in significant numbers then they have no need of a fleet. You don't build a cruiser to taxi 20 guys around. They also seem to be an arm of the Inquisition, rather than an autonomous body like other SM chapters. Presumably they'd get about in the same manner that Inquisitors do, by commandeering IN resources (i.e., hitch-hiking basically).

Just like the Inquisitor black ship, a GK BB seems to be simply added for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Snakeb1te on May 02, 2011, 05:42:42 AM
Laying aside my own 'MATT WARD!!! *mouth foaming here Moment of Hate here*

I'm having a hard time picturing a GK deployment bigger then strike cruiser myself.  I mean, this REALLY have to be heading for the sump if they need more then one company of GKs...

This.

Quote
Just like the Inquisitor black ship, a GK BB seems to be simply added for the sake of it.

And this.

Then again, you don't HAVE to use it. So I ain't too fussed, just wondering why if it was included for fluff or gameplay reasons. Gameplay perhaps I can understand, but the arguments for fluff thus far have been unsatisfactory.

And Matt Ward is a tit

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward#Codex:_Grey_Knights (http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward#Codex:_Grey_Knights)
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on May 04, 2011, 12:44:47 AM
GK don't operate as a standing army.  BB's seem counter intuitive to the MO of GK.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on May 04, 2011, 06:16:42 AM
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GK don't operate as a standing army.

To be fair, most marine chapters don't either. Usually it's a company that shows up from each chapter. It's a rare event that sees more Marines than one of their SC or escorts are capable of transporting. The largest I can find off hand outside of a black crusade is the Dark Angels deployment in the Siege of Vraks pt1. Something over 300 marines and they showed up with a battlebarge and two strike cruisers which was far in excess of the transport needed.

Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Admiral_d_Artagnan on May 04, 2011, 10:52:51 AM
Note however, GK operate with their number much more less than a regular SM Company in a given area of operations.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on May 04, 2011, 07:30:26 PM
Well, let me be more precise.  The function of a BB is a more concentrated grouping of marines, and also more formidable deep space fighting power, and capability at battering aside defenses, right?  Its a brute force mechanic that doesnt seem very GKish.  If SM are marines, GK are the navy SEALS.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on May 04, 2011, 08:08:07 PM
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Its a brute force mechanic that doesnt seem very GKish
I'd say brute force is very much GK. Remember they are willing to take out an entire world or kill thousands aboard a civilian ship to end the thread from a single daemon. That doesn't sound very surgical to me. Elite, yes, very much so in both their equipment and training, but surgical only when they want to be. I'm sure they have at least one or two BB hanging around just in case. Better to have it available and not need it than to say "shoot, we don't have anything big enough for that job." Commandeering IN and other Marine ships will only get you so far since their crews won't likely have the experience or training in dealing with the stuff the GK do.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on May 05, 2011, 06:33:23 AM
Hey, can we keep this on topic? this was originally a thread about if anyone has heard from flybywire or GW about getting the faqs up on the website
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on May 05, 2011, 06:59:28 AM
lol

Actually a response I got was the same response I got months ago. It wasn't from Nate but from Bob.

If these things don't go online, GW can go...
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on May 05, 2011, 03:57:34 PM
Fornicate itself with an iron stick?

Either way, I would really like to hear from nate.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Snakeb1te on May 05, 2011, 05:35:12 PM
Can I just add that I think these FAQs are pretty good so far, but they've got quite a number of spelling/grammatical errors in them. Its not really important in my eyes, but I hope Games Workshop doesn't doubt the quality of the work based on some oversights.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: DarknessEternal on May 06, 2011, 06:06:10 PM
So where can I find a copy of these new rules?
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Admiral_d_Artagnan on May 07, 2011, 12:05:57 AM
Look for any post by Flybywire and check his signature. There's a link there to tiny url. that's where all the files with the changes are.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: RCgothic on May 07, 2011, 08:14:22 AM
It should be called FAQ 2011 now, regardless of when the work was done.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Browncoat(USA) on May 11, 2011, 04:15:00 AM
I think that its funny that the majority of this thread was devoted to English vernacular regarding various forms of media exchange and hate of M. Ward.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on August 25, 2011, 12:26:55 PM
Dead in the water?
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on August 25, 2011, 12:33:48 PM
Ray wants to speak to Jervis at Games Day in september.
Even handing him a printed version personally.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Caine-HoA on August 25, 2011, 01:17:15 PM
Yeah i hope that will help.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: BaronIveagh on August 30, 2011, 02:03:41 AM
If not, I have some friends in England with no morals and blunt objects...
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Pisces_808 on September 02, 2011, 09:21:22 AM
If not, I have some friends in England with no morals and blunt objects...
And if that doesn't work we could always spam their mailbox... Somehow it feels that this should be before the blunt objects... ;D
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Sigoroth on September 02, 2011, 11:18:14 AM
Oh Pisces, I wouldn't take Baron Iveagh too seriously. I mean, seriously, there's no way he has friends.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on September 10, 2011, 07:57:27 PM
Where has Nate gotten to lately anyway? His mailbox is full.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on September 10, 2011, 08:04:03 PM
Also, his PDF compilation link is broken!  I need me some Kororvesh rulez!
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on September 10, 2011, 08:25:11 PM
http://tinyurl.com/23nul8q

?

Still worked for me 30 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on September 10, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
That one works, somehow.  Thanks.  Still want Nate to come back :)
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on September 11, 2011, 09:00:58 PM
Last I heard, nate's on deployment and not able to check his box.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on September 12, 2011, 07:55:06 AM
Yup, only Ray is occassionally online. Mainly through mail.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: BaronIveagh on September 15, 2011, 01:09:58 AM
Oh Pisces, I wouldn't take Baron Iveagh too seriously. I mean, seriously, there's no way he has friends.

...

..no fewer then seventeen snarky replies to that crossed my mind.  Instead I'll just say 'You have no idea how wrong you are.' and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on September 15, 2011, 10:45:14 AM
That comment makes me suspect your last name is Zuckerberg.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Sigoroth on September 15, 2011, 03:33:47 PM
That comment makes me suspect your last name is Zuckerberg.

Heh, yeah, he has no friends either.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on October 04, 2011, 03:58:43 AM
So..... I gotta mail from Ray.... and I don't know when he will post it..... but Jervis talked crap to him....

GW will not upload any file to their site as it overrides published rules (armada & rulebook).

Which is crap. Ships of Mars, Doom of the Eldar, Yriels Raiders, Powers of Chaos is pdf only.
FAQ.

Armada is no longer for sale.

Stupid munches at GW. :(


Oh, Jervis will do a cover note....
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on October 04, 2011, 07:02:17 AM
please tell me that ray told him how much shit that was.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on October 04, 2011, 07:35:02 AM
I have a feeling he didn't...

I am asking for Jervis his email. I wanna have some words with him...
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on October 04, 2011, 10:52:50 AM
Amazing how I can be incredulous and absolutely not surprised all at once.  All that hard community work too.
GW is pond scum, been feeling that way for years.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on October 04, 2011, 02:14:25 PM
You could probably ask E&C for the addy. I think he's had some dealings with Jervis in the recent past. Are we looking at the entire compendium or are we just looking at the points changes and stuff in the FAQ portion? IIRC nothing else in the compendium counters the published rules. All of the fleet updates are additional content that don't replace anything.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on October 04, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
From what he said: nothing at all. Which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on October 04, 2011, 09:09:43 PM
you know, I expected this from the start... 

It makes me glad that I personally don't give GW any more cash, I only work through their subsidiary, forgeworld. 

Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Caine-HoA on October 05, 2011, 02:59:36 AM
:-( bad news

But we as the community have this rules and any gaming group can use it besides what GW is uploading or not...
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: AndrewChristlieb on October 05, 2011, 04:16:50 AM
Altho I understand that it would be nice for GW to recognize the work put in this its really not necessary. Most players accept the faq 2010 as the rule, and the only tournament I've see recently has used these as well. GW may say whats cannon, but the players will determine what's right.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Zelnik on October 05, 2011, 07:21:12 AM
Exactly. I suggest in the general discussion that we post the link in a stickied post to all the major rules links... 2010FAQ, all the suppliments, and even the diasporex update too.

Lets make it easy to find and access.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Koshi on October 13, 2011, 07:28:10 AM
Would be a good idea!

And that GW don't upload this document on their HP doesn't matters me. My group has acceptet the FAQ2010 and so we play with it. We also use the tyranid rules from the Warp-Rift because they are not as superior as in the normal rules. And we're fine with them. As long as I know where to find FAQ2010, it will be fine.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lordgoober on October 13, 2011, 05:20:11 PM
That being said,  it looks like all the files have disappeared from the Googledocs section they were in before.  These files all will be in effect for Adepticon so I need to have a place where they will be findable.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on October 13, 2011, 05:42:56 PM
I think that the google docs layout just messed with their location. I still have all of them accessible here:
https://docs.google.com/#folders/0Bw_dULEfC3rbYzUyNjQzZTAtMDZiMS00ZjRlLWJjNzMtYTE5YmNjZjdjODQ1
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lordgoober on October 13, 2011, 06:34:57 PM
yeah.  I refound them about 20 minutess ago
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: CyberShadow on October 14, 2011, 01:44:48 PM
So..... I gotta mail from Ray.... and I don't know when he will post it..... but Jervis talked crap to him....

GW will not upload any file to their site as it overrides published rules (armada & rulebook).

Which is crap. Ships of Mars, Doom of the Eldar, Yriels Raiders, Powers of Chaos is pdf only.
FAQ.

I am happy to host BFG files here that are not already on the GW web site, and I will be creating a BFG specific section of resources and content for exactly this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Evil_and_Chaos on October 25, 2011, 10:15:36 AM
As I said to Horizon in a PM reply, I think you could get updated rules on the GW website if they were just bugfixes, correcting typos and points costs mistakes etc. Maybe some occasional changes where greatly needed.

But you'll not have any luck getting additional content into the rulebook, IMO.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: RayB HA on November 07, 2011, 11:15:19 PM
Hi Guys,

I've been waiting with baited breath at the door mat of my inbox for any reply from Jervis. Nothing so far, and as it's been over a month I doubt anything will materialise.

I'm obviously unhappy (angry..) with how this has turned out, but the FAQ is still an awesome resource. I feel an unofficial updated rulebook would be a great project, IP be damned!  ;)

Cheers,

Ray
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on November 08, 2011, 04:06:43 AM
I cannot phantom how it was impossible for you to ask Jervis/GW to update pdf only fleets. PDF's which never have been in a published book. Armada is no longer being sold = pdf only as well.

Does Jervis know about all of this?

pdf only should be updated in a whim.

I am flabbergasted about it, really. My brains just fail to understand why they cannot do that.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Vaaish on November 08, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
Well he is busy I gather, but still I'd hoped he could have gotten something to you by now. Somewhat frustrating.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: BaronIveagh on November 08, 2011, 03:47:07 PM
I think we all know what Jervis is busy doing: giving more Codecies to Matt Ward to defile.  BTW: in official fluff now Necrons have shields on their tombships which are supposedly slower then Battle barges now, when they are not using the webway (you read that right).
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on November 08, 2011, 07:56:47 PM
Yeah... I know.... GW killed Necrons. After the narvhal nid disaster they do this. lolz
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: lastspartacus on November 08, 2011, 08:21:15 PM
..No...they really did kill the necrons of all fun and creativity.  Where is the news?
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Evil_and_Chaos on December 15, 2011, 01:59:01 PM
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I cannot phantom how it was impossible for you to ask Jervis/GW to update pdf only fleets. PDF's which never have been in a published book. Armada is no longer being sold = pdf only as well.
I didn't email him because I already know the answer: Unless the HI scales back its list of changes just to bugfixes and perhaps a few absolute essential changes, there's no chance of getting the documents online as they are (with lots of points changes, additional ship configurations, changes in ship weapons, and additional rules).
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Evil_and_Chaos on December 15, 2011, 02:00:10 PM
At this point I would advise BFG afficionados to go the same way that Epic did, with a lot more fan-based rulebooks, and stop relying on GW.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: horizon on December 15, 2011, 07:49:26 PM
Hey,
I've had a mail exchange with Jervis couple of weeks ago. :)

He isn't as rigid as you describe. Well, it isn't all in his hands. The GW webteam also has a say... that's the problem.


Going the way epic is in? Dunno, if an outsiders looks at epic he is pretty confused at all availble rules.

Plus FAQ/Compendium 2010 is finished and being used without GW. The finishing touch would be an upload on the site to make sure everyone has easy acces to the files from a single source. This is easy for one-off games against unknown people etc.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Evil_and_Chaos on December 21, 2011, 10:22:29 AM
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The GW webteam also has a say... that's the problem.
I suspect this is gentle obfuscation... Jervis could get anything put up, if he was motivated to do so, I think.
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: fracas on December 22, 2011, 02:34:34 AM
maybe given the year cycle for GW production
it will be a new BFG next christmas?
Title: Re: Any news?
Post by: Plaxor on December 25, 2011, 12:00:15 AM
I would be a bit surprised if it were, although I imagine that GW will do a 40k/Fantasy yearly alternating secret box.

I think that an 'Adeptus Titanicus' game, with Imperial and Eldar Titans is probably the most likely next 'black box', which would hopefully be compatable with current epic models.