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Offline cjbennett22

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confused in combat
« on: May 27, 2017, 01:47:29 AM »
Confused units can be brought into combat after the shooting phase with an advance so....

In the next turn and 2 turns of combat after that, would the confused unit still be confused?  When would a unit become un-confused during the unsettled and continuing combat rounds?

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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2017, 12:15:06 PM »
A unit is confused until the end of that units next command phase.
Therefore any confused unit(s) that find themselves being drawn into a combat, stay confused until after their next command phase. Whilst confused, a unit is at -1 attacks, nor can it provide support page 56.
Hope this helps.
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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2017, 02:29:40 PM »
I guess it just makes sense to me that a confused unit should stay confused until it can go a command phase outside of combat.  Makes weird sense that they could unconfused themselves during the murderous chaos of combat  :)

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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2017, 04:28:43 PM »
I guess it just makes sense to me that a confused unit should stay confused until it can go a command phase outside of combat.  Makes weird sense that they could unconfused themselves during the murderous chaos of combat  :)

yes, this is good point. Looks like this situation wasn't acounted for in WMA.
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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2017, 03:37:39 AM »
We can still take a vote of course, but can I expect a rule addition?  Thank you.

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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2017, 07:13:21 AM »
Yes, I'll bring it forward in the committee. Might be included in comming 1.0. Will let you know. Thanx!
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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2017, 04:24:30 PM »
Though I am but a lowly clanrat. I would be interested to know what it is the WMRC may be taking a vote on with regards to to this thread.
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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2017, 01:22:57 AM »
to change the rule.  As it states, currently, when a confused unit is still in combat at the end of it's command phase it becomes un confused and loses the "-1" attack modifier.  I suggest to just add an additional comment about how the unit needs to be "unengaged" at the end of it's command phase to become unconfused.

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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2017, 07:35:32 AM »
Thanks. Sounds good.

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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2017, 02:19:20 AM »
I dont see this rule change in the new revoultions rulebook. Did it not make it in or just missed/forgotten?

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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2017, 07:20:04 AM »
Sorry I forgot to put it here. I brougt it forward in the committee and most of the members were against this change, so it remained as it was.
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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2017, 06:00:07 PM »
Can I bring up a historical reference that I think applies?  General Custer's last stand?  They got confused and then just started running and never regrouped.

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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2017, 05:01:46 AM »
In Warmaster though a full route is represented by hits taken- not just models killed. That's why hits are discounted at the end of combat, as units rally. Your example of Custer's forces is more akin to a unit being fully wiped out, in game terms.

I think it's fine if units can lose confusion while in combat. You've had two turns of hitting them while they're at a severe disadvantage- if they're still alive they must be tough, and have probably managed to regroup or at least formed some kind of effective fighting block.

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Re: confused in combat
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2017, 05:53:51 PM »
that's true, the confused soldiers would all be cutoff and killed by that time leaving a smaller unit but the ones still formed up correctly.  and actually, after reading deeper about custer.....they put a last stand together against the Indians on a hill so they were able to get unconfused, even though their numbers were incredibly few by that time.

thank you.